Wednesday, June 10, 2015

Tactic from the enemy to get sozo and Bethel members to not listen to the truth their loved ones present

Hi friends.

There is a tactic that the enemy is using to get Bethel members to shun family members or friends who are lovingly trying to warn them of this cultic group.  The tactic is a lie.  The tactic is to slander (the legal and Biblical definition of slander means to lie or speak falsehood; it does not mean to speak the truth) the family member and call he or she a "pharisee", "legalist", "religious spirit" and/or a "persecutor" if they lovingly warn of danger, and to not listen to them because they are just trying to keep you from entering God's blessing or a relationship with the "holy spirit".  This tactic is a lie, not the truth, and actually unnecessarily divides families.  It's not good or holy, and it's not of Christ or the real Holy Spirit.  It causes the Bethel member to falsely accuse or falsely believe that the loving family member is attacking them.  As a result, the Bethel member falls deeper into the cultic group, and further away from the Jesus of the Bible, the path of truth, and those who truly love them and are simply speaking the truth with love.  If only these Bethel members would see the truth of the people that love them so much and are trying to warn them of danger.  The leader or person (whoever that may be) teaching this evil tactic is a "conceited" false teacher who "understands nothing" and is placing divisions, "evil suspicions" and "strife" between Christians and those in the Body of Christ.  These are not the "sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Timothy 6:3).  Whoever is teaching this and dividing families will fall into the hands of the living God and will be eternally punished for their wickedness should they not repent.  Hebrews 10:31 says, "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God".

I will write more about this tactic the enemy uses in the coming days.  Hopefully this helps.

With the love and grace of Christ,
BSRG

Related:

Cult Warning Signs


Wednesday, May 27, 2015

Have you lost a loved one to sozo or Bethel Church? A forum for support

I want this post to serve as a forum where people can share their stories and support each other.  Have you lost a loved one to Bethel or sozo?  If you have, you know exactly what I mean by stating that this can feel like a death.  Are you grieving?  Please share.

Indeed, losing people to cultic groups is not easy.  Often, these people don't know anything is wrong.  Often, these people change completely or are no longer the person they once were.

And, the more you try to tell them, the more defensive they become.  This can divide entire families.  After all, that's what Jude spoke of in Jude 1:19.

Let's hear some stories to support each other.

Blessings

Wednesday, February 25, 2015

Gnostic teaching that Jesus was not divine before baptism and an interesting find about 'fear' being taught at Bethel


Several months ago, I was flipping through a Bible.  It wasn't my Bible.  It was someone who has been very involved with Bethel Church, Bill Johnson, sozo, etc.  I heard the Holy Spirit tell me to flip open to 1 John 4:1.  Here is what that verse says: 

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world".

I thought that was interesting, and I wondered why God wanted me to turn to that verse. I started reading the side notes. The person (who will remain unnamed, of course) had written in their Bible some notes. These notes said that false prophets are always motivated and characterized by fear. Over and over again, it said, "false prophets are known by their fear".

This really didn't make sense to me. In scripture, false prophets are motivated by their greed (see 2 Peter 2:3), lies/deceiving (Matthew 24:11; 2 Peter 2), and sorcery (Acts 13:6). Even in the Old Testament, the false prophets were known for their false words (Jer. 29:9 and 5:31). 2 John 1:7 says that those who don't acknowledge Jesus coming in the flesh are antichrist deceivers. That would be a sign of a false prophet. When you think about it, if Jesus was really only divine in the flesh just at and after his water baptism, like Johnson claims, wouldn't that be teaching that Jesus did not come in the flesh? I mean, if Jesus really came in the flesh, which He did, He would always be divine, even as a child.

Anyway, so where did this idea about false prophets/fear come from? The idea that false prophets are motivated by "fear"? This really doesn't make sense to me. The Apostle Paul had "fear" - he feared for the church that they would be deceived (2 Cor. 11:3). The "fear" of the Lord brings wisdom... Proverbs 9:10. I guess there are healthy fears and not so healthy fears. Does this mean that someone suffering from a fear of spiders is a false prophet? What about someone who doesn't like elevators??? Really doesn't make sense, Biblically.

Anyway, I got to thinking...are the teachers at Bethel teaching this? Why would this be in this person's notes? I Googled it, and actually Kris Valloton DOES preach a sermon about this online. Here is what he says:

"1 John 4 reveals a test for a false prophet.  They don't acknowledge the redemptive power of God; they don't listen; nor do they love.  False prophets use fear and fear of punishment as a main motivation in their ministry to get people to do what they predict."
But, where is the teaching that false prophets are motivated by greed, lies, deceit, sorcery, false teaching, etc., etc.? John the Baptist warned the pharisees to flee from the coming wrath of God (Matthew 3:7). That sounds like using "fear and fear of punishment". Does that make John the Baptist a false prophet? Certainly not! The Bible says that John the Baptist was the greatest prophet in history. Besides Jesus, of course.

It is the false prophets who speak "peace, peace" all the time that God warned about (see Jeremiah 8:11). They speak of peace and prosperity when there is none. Therefore, God calls them false prophets. THOSE are the ones God warns about in His Word over and over again.

False prophets will be very popular with many people (Luke 6:26). True prophets won't (Matthew 5:12).

Here is the sermon that Kris preached, if anyone would like to listen to it to test it to the Word: https://shop.ibethel.org/products/false-prophets-11-00am-august-01-2010

The reason why this concerns me is that I have been accused before, when lovingly confronting (in a gentle manner) a Bethel Church follower, that I have "fear". The conversation went something like this...

(me) "Do you know that Bill Johnson preaches that Jesus laid aside his divinity? Those were his direct quotes from his books/articles."

(person) "What are you afraid of? Why do you have so much fear? You should not be afraid of deception. The elect cannot be deceived anyway. Bill Johnson is not false. False prophets and false people are known by their fear."

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This concerns me because...I wonder if Bethel Church is teaching their followers to disregard what other Christians lovingly say to them because they must be "fearful", and "fear" is evil. I wonder. Not saying for sure! Just a thought. Isn't this what certain other groups do? They caution their followers to not listen to advice from others who might be cautious of the group or point out error? Isn't this a fear tactic? I believe this is what the cults do (try to shun or quiet outside voices who are trying to warn with love).

In the middle of the night last night, I do believe God woke me up and reminded me of a page I read in my study Bible. It's from 2 John. I believe He wanted me to include this in my post today. Gnostics taught that the divine Christ joined the man Jesus when he was baptized. Isn't this what Bill Johnson's books say? Yes! I have checked this out. For a list of direct quotes, view this article: http://blogs.christianpost.com/grace-under-fire/birds-of-a-feather-flock-together-10395/

Please check out the following photo from my Zondervan family reading Bible. Be alert and watchful!!





Saturday, August 2, 2014

Beni Johnson posts another photo of herself on Instagram in cemetery!

I am so thankful that a reader of Bethel Sozo Research sent in a photo of Beni Johnson's Instagram page from about a week ago.  Thank you!

I have seen a similar photo before on Beni's Twitter page.  She is posting these photos of herself in cemeteries hugging or somehow embracing the gravestones of dead people.  I wrote about that previously and posted a photo of her hugging a gravestone.

What do you think of this?  Would God command someone to go hug a gravestone containing a dead body?  The spirit of the person is gone (2 Cor. 5:8).  This is not found anywhere in the Bible.  Except for maybe the scriptures concerning necromancy (communication/consulting with the dead is forbidden in the Scriptures.  God didn't like it then, and He doesn't like it now because He is the same God today; see Luke 24:5, Hebrews 13:8 and Deuteronomy 18:10).

Would the Holy Spirit really want someone to get some sort of "anointing" from a dead person?  Is it even possible to get an anointing from someone who is dead?  What benefit is there in hanging around dead people?

This is very sad that people are buying into this.  This practice was not done by Jesus nor the disciples.  None of the earlier Christians throughout the centuries did this.  The martyrs did not do this.

What's going on?  This is not Biblical Christianity.

Sunday, June 29, 2014

Boldness with the Scriptures is from the Holy Spirit, not a religious spirit!


Ministry of Apollos 
24 Now a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man and mighty in the Scriptures, came to Ephesus. 25 This man had been instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in spirit, he spoke and taught accurately the things of the Lord, though he knew only the baptism of John. 26 So he began to speak boldly in the synagogue. When Aquila and Priscilla heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. 27 And when he desired to cross to Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him; and when he arrived, he greatly helped those who had believed through grace; 28 for he vigorously refuted the Jews publicly, showing from the Scriptures that Jesus is the Christ.
Apollos had the Holy Spirit.  He was "mighty in the Scriptures".  He showed people the truth via...you guessed it..."the Scriptures".  True, Godly, Biblical ministers who are sent by God...use the Scriptures, not their mere experiences or opinions, to teach others the Truth of God.

Some false teachers today may accuse those who teach or refute using the Scriptures of having an evil  "religious spirit".  Not so!  They are simply confusing evil as good and good for evil.  See what Isaiah said in Isaiah 5:20 about that.

This would just be a fulfillment of...

http://biblehub.com/2_timothy/4-3.htm

Have a wonderful day!

Sunday, October 20, 2013

Beni Johnson's statement about not wanting to be corrected by others who believe she is 'out of line' because basically only the holy spirit is allowed to do such a thing (but the real Holy Spirit uses people to correct, rebuke and encourage): What is a religious spirit?


Bethel Church has redefined the term 'religious spirit' and has wrongly labeled many sincere believers with this term.  A new term I thought of when thinking of Bethel Church is a 'resistant spirit'.  I was scrolling through Beni Johnson's page on Facebook recently where she teaches thousands, and these two posts startled me.  For those of you who don't know, Beni Johnson is Bill Johnson's wife.  Bill Johnson is the lead pastor of Bethel Church in northern California where many unorthodox and peculiar practices and teachings take place.  This is the same Bill Johnson who claims an anointing by God and that small, white angel feathers fall on him when he goes somewhere (like the grocery store, the bank, etc.).  This is also the same Bill Johnson that has taught in his writings (books, articles, etc.) that Christ laid his divinity aside (this is heresy; see my notes on the hypostatic union).  He still sells these books.  I have listed direct quotes and sources throughout this website with regard to these statements.  

These two posts concern me.  The reason is that Beni and her husband claim to be Christian teachers. This can be misleading. Biblically, a true, Godly teacher will be open to correction from others.  That is part of humility.  There is a wall that many people at Bethel Church put up when all that others are trying to do is to lovingly wake them up to the apostasy of the movement and the error of the teachings they believe.  If only they knew that their loved ones are trying to warn them of danger.  

They do claim to be used by the Holy Spirit, but I have noticed that they usually will not accept correction from others because they believe the misleading notion that only the Holy Spirit is allowed to do that.  This creates a resistant spirit in Bethel Church's followers to much-needed correction and help.  These statements from Beni could dangerously cause her followers to not accept correction from others, which God and the real Holy Spirit call "stupid" (Proverbs 12:1; Yes, the Bible does use that word).  Isn't it resisting the Holy Spirit when we won't accept a truthful correction from somebody?  Stephen told the members of the Sanhedrin that they were stiff-necked and always resisted the Holy Spirit (Acts 7:51).  Bold words.  They did not like all that he was saying because it was the truth.  They did not like all the people God sent to them in the past because they brought the truth.  Stephen says in verse 51 that their ancestors persecuted and killed God's messengers in the past.  The members of the Sanhedrin were enraged and stoned Stephen to death.  They were just like their ancestors.  Biblically, these are the people that had a religious spirit and a resistant spirit.  They resisted the truth.  Stephen brought the truth (sound doctrine).  Therefore, he did not have a religious spirit, but God's Spirit!  The Bible says he was full of the true Holy Spirit.  And, he boldly spoke the truth and brought correction and rebuke.  These leaders thought they were good enough and didn't need to hear truth from Stephen.  I don't think Stephen would have lasted too long on many Facebook pages.  He would have been blocked.  

In my opinion, the following statements cannot be further from the Holy Spirit of the Bible.  Even more concerning is that over 1,000 followers agreed with her thinking that this is something the real Holy Spirit would teach.

Look at the following: 




When a teacher who claims to be anointed by God is teaching "out of line" with what the Bible says, Jesus calls him or her a false teacher (Matthew 7:7).  God wants us to give others "our two cents" if it is the truth.  Proof of this can be found in James 5:20 (and elsewhere) where it says God wants us to attempt to turn people from their error if they have wandered from the truth.  I will add, if you suspect a person is a false prophet, extra caution should be taken and act with wisdom (maybe Matthew 7:6 and Titus 3:10 apply here).  Anyhow, the Holy Spirit uses people as His tools to reach people.  Proof of this is found in Romans 10:14 where it says people can hear the truth if other people preach it to them.  How will they hear without people?  Quite simply, the real Holy Spirit uses people, and He has done that for centuries.  That is why it is always good to listen to and consider advice from others who are Christians.  It may be truth or maybe not.  But, if we reject the corrections people bring automatically without thinking it through, we risk rejecting God's message to us.  The Bible is story after story of God using people to reach people.  That is the theme of chapter after chapter in the entire Bible!  The devil also uses people (even professed Christians; 2 Cor. 11:15), so we must be able to discern and compare what is said to the Bible.  

Romans 12 speaks of Christians having different gifts according to the grace that is given to us and says basically that he that exhorts, teaches, etc. should exercise these gifts.  Acts 13:4 says that the Holy Spirit sent two men (Barnabas and Saul) to Cyprus.  The Spirit sent them to talk about the word of God to certain people.  Ephesians 4:11 says basically that Jesus Christ gave certain people certain callings in order to speak and edify the Body of Christ.  The goal is so "we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness whereby they lie in wait to deceive..." (Ephesians 4:14).  These are just a handful of scriptures that show that the Holy Spirit does use people to bring the truth and to correct so that we will not be deceived.  God uses people to reach people because of His grace and as a safeguard to deception.

Now compare these statements above from Beni Johnson to the words of the true Holy Spirit in the Bible.  Do you think Beni teaches another spirit that the Apostle Paul warned about in 2 Corinthians 11:4?  It seems to me that her holy spirit will not use people to give some correction if a teacher is out of line, but will correct in some other direct way only (without people).  Using people as correcting tools does not seem like a characteristic of her holy spirit (based on her Facebook teachings).  Remember, the true Holy Spirit does use people and wrote the Bible (2 Peter 1:21) including these words: 
  • "I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables." (2 Timothy 4:1-4)
  • "Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge, but he that hates reproof is senseless." (Proverbs 12:1)
  • "Whoever remains stiff-necked after many rebukes will suddenly be destroyed--without remedy." (Proverbs 29:1) 
  • "All scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness." (2 Timothy 3:16)
  • "Whoever rebukes a person will in the end gain favor rather than one who has a flattering tongue." (Proverbs 28:23)

Wednesday, August 28, 2013

Good division or evil division? Division in the church....what did Paul teach? Bethel Church and Christianity and 1 Corinthians 1:12

For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. (1 Corinthians 11:19)

This scripture really stuck out today. This comes right after verse 18 in 1 Cor. 11 which speaks of divisions in the church. Paul was telling the Corinthians that when they come together, there are divisions. I checked the cross references for this, and the divisions Paul is speaking of is that in Corinth, some Christians were saying they followed Paul, others Cephas while others were saying they followed Apollos and some simply stated they followed Christ. Because of this they were separating into groups and not having unity. This can be found in 1 Corinthians 1:12.

Here I see two different kinds of division right next to each other in two verses (verses 19 and 18). Sometimes, people who follow Bethel Church will tell their confronters (who warn them about false teaching) that they are "divisive" and use the scripture from 1 Corinthians 1:12 to prove their point.

The problem with this is that Paul had an issue with the church being divided over the WRONG things. Here in this verse, we see that Apollos, Cephas, Paul and Jesus were all teaching the same thing about Christ. None of these men were teaching falsely!!! One was not saying "Christ was not divine at all times" while the other was saying "Christ was divine at all times". No! These leaders were all of one mind in their teaching. If one of them was a heretic, than Paul says that the Christians that are approved (by GOD) will be made manifest (will become obvious). That is, those who follow the heretic are unapproved by God. Those who separate from the heretic are approved by God. It would be manifest and evident who was REALLY following Jesus and His Word by who divided away from the heretic.

What Paul the apostle did not like about Corinth divisions is that they were being divided for a foolish reason. If pastor A and pastor B both teach correct sound doctrine from the Bible, but I am divided with you because you don't follow pastor A and I do, than that would be the unpleasing division that Paul was referring to. That is what was happening in Corinth. It was just stupid. It's like saying, my favorite color is blue and yours is red. Therefore I am not your friend. Totally immature. Paul says stop.

HOWEVER...

If Pastor A and Pastor B teach two totally different and contrary teachings about Christ, than only one is correct. God is a God of truth! He cannot be right and wrong at the same time. He cannot lie!

If Pastor A teaches correctly but Pastor B teaches heresy, and we are divided because of it, THAT IS THE KIND OF DIVISION THAT PAUL SPEAKS OF IN 1 CORINTHIANS 11:19. Paul explains that the very purpose of heresies is to see which Christians are approved by God!. It is those Christians who "mark and avoid" the false teachers who are mature and obedient followers of Christ (Romans 16:17). They are divided away for the right reasons. To not do so would be disobedience to the Lord Jesus.

Here are some supporting scriptures:


"If a prophet or a dreamer of dreams arises among you and gives you a sign or a wonder,
and the sign or the wonder comes true, concerning which he spoke to you, saying, ' Let us go after other gods (whom you have not known) and let us serve them,’
you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams; for the Lord your God is testing you to find out if you love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul." (Deuteronomy 13:1-3)

Heresies are a test, people!  God is testing us to see what our reaction will be with heresies.  Are we going to flunk and keep following the false teachings down the broad road to destruction, or are we going to study the Bible and get on the narrow path (Matthew 7:14)? 

Here, being divided is a command!  Again, there is righteous division and unrighteous division.  Check it out...

"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them." (Romans 16:17)

Marking and avoiding sounds pretty "divisive", yet it is a command straight from Jesus for His followers!


As you can see, not all division is a sin!  It is a sin to be divided for the wrong reasons.  There are also right reasons to be divided!  Jesus Himself said people would be divided:


Jesus Brings Division (Matthew 10) 
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that takes not his cross, and follows after me, is not worthy of me.



If there can be true, righteous division and false, unrighteous division, can there also be true, righteous unity and false, unrighteous unity?  Would being divided away from true Christians who teach true, sound doctrine be good division or evil division?  Have a blessed day.  ~ ADMIN 

Saturday, August 17, 2013

Are you tossed? Mature Christians and immature Christians: Following false prophets and their various 'winds of doctrine' is like being tossed by a storm


These days, we must be extra discerning who we are "following".  Who are you learning from?
"That we from now on be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, by which they lie in wait to deceive..." Ephesians 4:14
Are you a wise or foolish virgin (Matthew 25)?  The mark of a mature Christian is to not be tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, to not be deceived by the sleight of men, by their cunning craftiness.
Deception most always comes in a package of light (2 Cor. 11:14).  Be careful!
"For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." Matthew 24:5
Matthew 24:5 makes it clear that deceptive teachings would even come from those who look good, those who teach about Jesus (Acts 20:30 further illustrates this point).  There are even discernment ministries out there that are teaching very unbiblical things that sound good!
Who are you following on Facebook?  Twitter?  Is it any wonder that the Lord used the word "Follow" thousands of years ago?
"Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to deceitful spirits, and doctrines of demons..." 1 Tim. 4:1
Have a blessed day...

Saturday, June 29, 2013

Is it really the Holy Spirit? Bethel Church and Christianity...

Was reading in the Word this morning, and a question came up in my mind.  I posted this question on the Bethel Church and Christianity Forum today:
"Acts 5:32 -- "And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him." I read this today and was wondering if these people are really teaching by the Holy Spirit, why is it that they are not departing/separating themselves from the false teachings/teachers? That would be obedience to God (Romans 16:17), and the Bible says that the Holy Spirit is given to them that obey him."
Will let you know what replies I receive.  What do you think?  These people speak of the Holy Spirit so much.  In fact they are a part of a regular conference called, "the Holy Spirit Conference".  Would the Holy Spirit be comfortable with all the teachings from books, sermons, etc. that we see coming out of Bethel Church?  I don't think so...

Doesn't Jesus say to "mark and avoid" in Romans 16:17?  Not meaning, mark and avoid those who uphold/defend sound doctrine (like Jesus did!) - but those who cause divisions/offenses CONTRARY TO sound doctrine in the Bible (like the false teachers do).

"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them who cause divisions and offenses contrary to the doctrine which you have learned; and avoid them." (Romans 16:17)

Monday, June 17, 2013

Updated: Gnostic heresy...an interesting find in a study Bible leads to further clarification concerning the public 'divinity' of Christ discussion and Bethel Church (pastor is Bill Johnson). A link found!

Here is the photo of the Bible page referred to in a post from June 7th, 2013.  


Look at the study notes on the left side where it says, "Gnostic heretics of his day who said that Jesus was born only a man and remained so until his baptism."

Do you see any eery similarities with Bethel Church's teaching on Christ's divinity?  BSR does.  How important it is to realize that the real Jesus was 100% man and 100% divine (the hypostatic union).  The false Jesus's are either 100% man and 0% divine, or 0% man and 100% divine.  Please browse the top of this site for helpful information on these topics.

In his book, When Heaven Invades Earth, Johnson explains that Christ is not part of Jesus's name (his last name): "Christ is not Jesus' last name. The word Christ means 'Anointed One' or 'Messiah'. It is a title that points to an experience. It was not sufficient that Jesus be sent from Heaven to earth with a title. He had to receive the anointing in an experience to accomplish what the Father desired".

Johnson says this "Christ" word relates to an experience.  What experience?  His baptism (age 30).  


The problem with this teaching is that even an angel of the Lord called Jesus "Christ" approximately thirty whole years before His water baptism (clearly, making it a part of His title at birth). Because Christ means Messiah, and Jesus was and is always the Messiah, He had that title before his age thirty water baptism "experience". 

Remember Luke 2:10,11 says, "Then the angel said to them, 'Do not be afraid, for behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy which will be to all people. For there is born to you this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord'". Keep in mind, Jesus was only a baby at this point, long before His water baptism experience ('the smearing', as Johnson describes), yet the mighty angel of the Lord calls Him..."Christ the Lord"!
"Therefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit" (1 Cor. 12:3).
Johnson explains, "the word anointing means 'to smear'. The Holy Spirit is the oil of God that was smeared all over Jesus at His water baptism. The name Jesus Christ implies that Jesus is the One smeared with the Holy Spirit".
**Now re-read the Bible study notes in the photo**.  

Johnson preaches this about Jesus: "He laid his divinity aside" (When Heaven Invades Earth; chapter 7; page 110). Johnson also preaches that Jesus did His miracles as a man and not as God. Remember in John 10:30 when Jesus said, "I and the Father are one"? What about the immaculate conception and the virgin birth? That was divine, so Jesus had to be divine since conception, even before that - and forever for that matter! In an article from Charisma Magazine dated February 23, 2012, Johnson writes: "While Jesus is eternally God, He emptied Himself of His divinity and became a man...it’s vital to note that He did all His miracles as a man, not as God. If He did them as God, I would still be impressed. But because He did them as a man yielded to God, I am now unsatisfied with my life, being compelled to follow the example He has given us. Jesus is the only model for us to follow". 

In the same paragraph from When Heaven Invades Earth, Johnson explains that Jesus was "powerless" as well (in addition to being a non-divine man): "The sacrifice that could atone for sin had to be a lamb (powerless)".  When Scripture says Jesus was a lamb it does not mean He was powerless, but pure! 


Is this the Jesus you know, saint?
Please do some research to find out what else Johnson teaches about Jesus being a man until his baptism.  

Related: 

Bill Johnson's Non-Divine Jesus